disney favourites meme ; one prince; naveen
You have had quite an influence on me. Which is amazing because I have dated thousands of women and - No, like two, three… just other women! A-and anyway, you could not be more different! You know, you are - you are practically, heh, one of the guys! No, no, no! You are not a guy! Let me begin again! Uh… Ha… I am not myself tonight. Tiana! Sorry, that was loud. This is a disaster.
"I hated how Louisiana Voodoo was represented in The Princess and the Frog. Mama Odie was a good character, but her role was not significant enough to compensate for the villain being a corrupt Voodoo practitioner. All I saw in the portrayal was stereotypes. My religion is disrespected and stereotyped enough, the Voodoo community didn’t need this Disney movie furthering the idea that all we do is inflict harm upon others"
Mama Odie was hardly a minor character and her role was insanely significant - her character was where the turning point happened. Without her, the story would have no ending at all. And they didn’t even lighten up her style of voodoo, or try to evangelize it or anything - it still resembles Faciliers but she uses it for good and even distances herself from him. They make this clear. She’s just as significant as she is, but you don’t see her as much. Why? Has nothing to do with portrayal and everything to do with the fact that generally people find villains more interesting than Mr. Miyagi’s (a term I lovingly use to refer to characters meant to be mentors or to teach the protagonist an important lesson). Why do you think all superheroes have to be brooding “Woe is me” types. People don’t like good guys that are good because their good - no tragedy, they’re just good people. Or they do like them, but they don’t want stories made about them. Which is unfortunate since you can totally write good characters on that basis, Mr. Miyagi actually being a good example.
But it doesn’t make them insignificant. You perceive her as insignificant because she FIXES problems, not causes them, and that makes us recognize their value less. It’s an oxymoron, but it’s basically how film and literature works. Look at literally any literature - with few exceptions, people ignore the character who’s friendly, good, and moral unless they are either tragic, heavily comedic, or non-conforming. Mama Odie is somewhat comedic, but that’s alongside other comedic characters.
But like it or not, looking at it significantly, SHE IS SIGNIFICANT. I really can’t stress that. She basically saves the fuck out of everybody while hardly lifting a finger because she’s a total badass.
Mama Odie being a significant character really has nothing to do with the confession. The OP is talking about how Mama Odie’s character has no real impact in portraying Voodoo in a positive light. From the beginning movie up until we meet Mama Odie, Dr. Facilier is the representation of Voodoo and it’s all negative. Before we even learn about Mama Odie from Louis, everyone refers to Voodoo negatively.
Even though Mama Odie is a “good” Voodoo priestess, she just comes up too late to mend the problematic portrayal of Voodoo.
Well it’s pretty damn damaging trope considering the “strong, independent black woman” who don’t need no man, nor help, apparently is so imbedded in society that white people literally believe black people feel less pain and therefore are administered less pain medicine in need and are given less sympathy when experiencing pain because it’s assumed we’ve been hardened by this life and can “just take it.”
There’s a reason these tropes like “angry black woman” and “strong independent black women” exist, and it isn’t in our favor. Sure, there’s nothing wrong with being independent and I think it is a result of the life we’ve for the moment part been forced to lead, but ya gotta realize if we’re subjugated to just an independent black woman trope, always tough and always in control, then we’re the joke. We have no femininity. In fact, we’re interchangeable with Black men.
Plus I don’t see why being soft, which shouldn’t even be synonym to sub servant and helpless, is a regressive trait. Needing and relying on help does not make you weak; it makes you human. The fact that society likes to push us into this singular story of the strong and independent black woman with few other facades should make you wary as it perpetuates this idea that we’re in no need of sympathy. Empathy,
Therefore you can be a 19-year old teenage girl in need of help after a car accident, but i’m going to shot you in the back of the head because the idea of a Black woman actually needing help as opposed to being the help is such a bizarre concept that my life feels threatened, right?
Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes.
And I’d like to add this link, as it specifically regards young Black children and fantastical stories. The focus is on sci-fi, but the moral works here too, primarily the takeaway of:
and that’s totally your right!! I’m not here to tell anybody how they should feel about how their own people are represented. All I can tell you is that a lot of black women have written about how the strong, independent black woman trope is damaging and I take them at their word!
blogs like lookatthewords and jhenne-bean are both blogs ran by black women who have talked about Tiana in length before if you feel like talking about it with someone who has a foot in the door, so to speak :)
Realism has become a trap for black children and they realize it.
Clutch.com had a thinkpiece on the phrase (+ the internalization of “strong” being the superior and only way for us to operate) stripping away our humanity. BuzzFeed (bear with me) has one that dissects a few current Black women on television, which might help. Mikki Kendall (Karnythia) also has a Storify page housing some great tweets on the subject.
Lookatthewords already hit on the dangers of perpetuating the strong don’t-need-no-help Black woman as a trope, and it certainly helps no one to insist that it is the only portrayal of Black women illustrated in the media.
- Sometimes we want escapism and that is okay.
- Sometimes we want to be romanced and desired and that is okay.
- Sometimes we want to be the Princess right off the bat, without having to slave for our
restaurantcastle, and that is okay.
- Sometimes we just want to be saved, and that is okay.
There is nothing wrong with being soft, or being the princess, or needing help: you can be all those things and still recognized as a Black woman— as a person. Still be a good example.
Imo, it is better to imagine (and write, and portray) black women of all ages in multifaceted and rounded ways.
“Considering the Princess and the Frog didn’t do that well at the box office, I’m grateful that they still have Tiana at the parks.”
Now let’s break that down:
This movie did do well at the box office. It may not have outrageously performed like Tangled or Frozen, but this would not be considered a flop by any means. Stop lying about this movie.
I recently made this blog post about the upcoming Dreamworks movie, Home. I’m excited for it because I love animated movies and Dreamworks. But really got me extremely excited for the movie was the lead character, Tip.
You guys know me. I am always dying for representation. Not only does Tip look great but she’s voiced by Rhianna who sounds fantastic. Also, Jim Parsons is the alien. I mean, what is not like?
In that post, I made a jab at Disney saying, "Your move Disney."
And I stand by it.
Disney had a really bad track record when it comes to POC characters. Both Pocahontas and Mulan are extremely historically inaccurate and somewhat offense to Native Americans and Chinese people. Hell, I know some Chinese people who hate Mulan just because of what they did to their culture.
And Princess and the Frog? As much as I love that movie, that movie is beyond problematic. First, Tiana doesn’t get to be born royalty. We have to make her poor. Lets also get her a funny, white sidekick who will hog most of the attention! Her hair, instead of being curly and bouncy, she stuck in a bun. And of course, she is a mother flipping frog for most of her movie.
Not only that but the last four princesses we got were white. The last two were cardboard cuts of Rapunzel! Hell, even Wreck It Ralph, which I adore, focused on a white man! Do you see what I’m getting at here? And Moana isn’t coming out until 2018! I have to wait for four years while Home is coming out in 2015!
Another thing about Dreamworks is that I feel like they are trying when it comes to character design. They are able to make them females look different while still maintaining their sense of style. Look at Eep, the last heroine from The Croods.
Eep is muscular. She doesn’t have a slim, petite waist line. She’s different. She stands out and she’s memorable. At the same time, I related more to her than I did Anna. I know what it’s like to butt heads with your dad and her awkwardness seemed real while Anna’s seems forced.
Lets also look at Fiona.
Fiona is a major bad ass and I was in awe of her when I first saw her movie. She chose to be an orge so she could be happy. She gave up her good looks for love. She isn’t a typical Disney princess and that is great! I know girls who can relate to her more than the Disney princesses.
The Dreamworks characters are also somewhat more relateable than the Disney princesses. Lets take a look at Hiccup from HTTYD
Hiccup is disabled. In the first movie, he looses his foot and has to use prosthetic. And he is the hero. A disabled hero. You guys don’t seem to understand how important that is. There are so few animated characters who are disabled and stay disabled. And the thing is that he gets to still be the hero despite that. They didn’t have some magic bullshit for his foot. He lost it and he isn’t getting it back. But he doesn’t let this stop him. He doesn’t dwell on it, he goes forward.
I love Disney but as of now, it seems like they only care about white people. The POC princesses hardly ever have their own merch. Hell, me and bunch of tumblr people had to ask Hot Topic to get a Tiana shirt. We get one and the design is crap! There are other POC who aren’t in the Disney princess line but Disney doesn’t care about them and the Disney fandom ignores them too.
The thing about Dreamworks is that they are trying and taking risks. They are giving us females who are strong yet flawed and beautiful in their own, special ways along with a hero who is disabled. At this point in time, I have more faith in Dreamworks than Disney.
Black Excellence▶◀ ↪ Anika Noni Rose
"I think that one of the most detrimental issues with regard to the vision of black women in in the media is not having well-rounded images.You see one thing where you see the other, very much the virgin whore complex it is somebody is really really fabulously great like so great you like really I’ve never met that person or they’re so foul and nasty that once again you never met that person.”
Jennifer Hudson, as Princess Tiana, is photographed by Annie Leibovitz for Disney Parks
I am so sorry this is so long. I didn’t mean for it to be like this, tried arranging some side by side but the size difference is jarring.
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So sorry for the major scroll!! <3