like slate has another article which is a rebuttal to the dude at the Atlantic who wrote a piece saying “you can be anti-gay marriage and not be homophobic! you gotta hate gay people to be homophobic”, and slate’s stance is “no, that’s totally homophobic, obviously”
but then at the end of that rebuttal, they close out with that “still, you gotta be really nice and polite and sweet to bigots and oppressors or they’ll get really mad that you called them out for what they are” kind of shit
white folks and cultural appropriation go together like peanut butter and jelly.
Once again, for all those too damn obtuse to grasp the concept….
RACISM: Prejudice + Power = Systematic Oppression Of Minority Groups. Simple as that.
Then racism means jack shit and nobody cares, pimp. You don’t like your self-defined “racism”…go somewhere where you are the majority. The world is not required to accommodate your morally relative beliefs, fix your own problems.
If that’s what racism means, then I don’t care about racism. I think it’s okay for white people to have power in our own countries.
Don’t expect white people to care about racism if white victims are excluded from it. What’s in it for us? White people have a point of view. White people have interests and aspirations. We have the right to look out for ourselves first. And you’re suggesting that white people should abandon all self-interest and focus exclusively on helping blacks.
If “racism” is blacks feeling like the man is keeping them down, and “prejudice” is whites being beaten and killed by non-whites shouting racial slurs, then I contend that “prejudice” is worse than “racism” and whites should shift focus on that and stop worrying about “racism”, because it’s not as bad and it’s not our problem. The whole argument about “power+prejudice” begins from the assumption that there’s something wrong with whites having power in our own countries. Blacks have power in Africa & the Caribbean. Every part of the planet is dominated by one race or another, but it’s only whites who are made to feel guilty about it.
It’s become very fashionable in the last decade to say that you can’t be racist against white people because racism = prejudice+power, and since only whites have power, only whites can commit the modern world’s cardinal sin: racism. I think there’s a few flaws in this argument, which I’d like to outline below:
1) It’s not actually denying that what I call anti-white racism exists. Rather it’s saying “yes that does happen, but we don’t want you to call it “racism”, we want you to call it “prejudice””. Whether you call it racism, prejudice, or a cheese sandwich, it happens and as a white person I’m concerned about it. You’ve not provided any argument as to why I shouldn’t be concerned about it, you’ve just provided a tautology about what word you’d prefer me to call it. If “racism” means “white people having power in specific parts of the planet” then I assume that racism is acceptable.
2) It’s trying to conveniently redefine the word “racist” to fit a biased “progressive” political agenda. The word “racist” has been around for 80 years and has never included this caveat of “can only be committed by white people”. Why do “progressives” assume the English language should be subordinated to facilitate their political goals? What they’re trying to do is control language, which controls thought, which is ultimately trying to make it impossible to even conceive of anything outside their “progressive” paradigm. The phrase “Institutional Racism” already exists to describe their “prejudice+power” version of racism. The existence of the phrase “Institutional Racism” demonstrates that racism doesn’t need to be institutional. They’re assuming that Institutional Racism is the only type of racism, and it’s not. The purpose of this is to trick white people into thinking they should feel guilty if white people are the majority anywhere, to make us support mass immigration into our countries so we can stop being so racist. It’s completely self-fulfilling, because if these people weren’t coming into our countries in the first place, it wouldn’t be a problem.
3) Having a ranking system whereby you have different words for prejudice against different groups which have different levels of seriousness, with racism against X having a less-damning word and racism against Y having a more-damning word, is itself racist, because you’re saying that some groups are more important and deserve more protection than others. It’s attaching a different value judgement to different races, as if non-whites are “worth more” and whites are just cannon fodder for equality. If racism is bad, then it’s bad for all races. White people have feelings too. Whether we’re a minority, a majority, powerful or powerless, we still exist and still have the right to exist as a people. We still have a culture and a heritage and an identity that we have the right to protect and assert in our own countries, and the right to be free from all forms of racism, institutional or otherwise.
4) White people only have power in some parts of the world, namely Europe, North America and Australasia. Other races have power in other parts of the world, namely Africa, Central and South America, Polynesia, the Caribbean, the Middle East and East Asia. So if I accept that there can’t be racism against the dominant group, and the dominant group in Europe, North America and Australasia happens to be white, then presumably the argument is “you can’t be racist against white people in Europe, North America and Australasia”. By this argument, there can be racism against white people in Africa, Central and South America, Polynesia, the Caribbean, the Middle East and East Asia (ie most of the world), since whites are not the dominant group there. The International watchdog Genocide Watch has been warning the whites in South Africa are facing genocide for a number of years. Whites do not have power in South Africa, and elected black politicians routinely sing the genocidal song “Kill the Boer” which incites blacks to kill whites. Presumably you can be racist against whites in South Africa, since whites are a minority there. They never clarify this, which makes their conception misleading. Because they only ever care about “racism” in white countries. They only ever want to undermine ethnic power-structures that benefit white people. They don’t criticise Arabs for having too much power in majority-Arab countries. They don’t criticise blacks for having too much power in majority-black countries. They don’t criticise Indians for having too much power in India.
White folks, y’all tickle the shit out of me.
Racism against white people. It is to laugh. No, really.
If you want to call that exceedingly rare shit ‘racism’, whatever. It’s not like I can stop you. I just find it more than a little ironic… or, rather, oxy-moronic. Nowhere in my post did I say that shit wasn’t a problem, but fuck NO it isn’t racism and I don’t give a rat’s fat ass what the fuck YOU or people LIKE YOU think. Eat a dick and stay mad.
By the way, “specific parts of the planet” include pretty much every inhabited continent and many countries therein.
Language CHANGES. Just because you put some shit on paper, it doesn’t mean that term can no longer be redefined. If that were the truth, “gay” would still mean “happy” and not “homosexual”, now wouldn’t it? I’m not going to fucking type the phrase “institutional racism” every single time I want to discuss the phenomenon… ESPECIALLY since this shit MOSTLY happens to PoC.
You can’t be ‘racist’ against white folks because THEY FUCKING OWN AND CONTROL THE WORLD. Economic, political, cultural influence… they fucking have it and I’m not going to sit here and Google all the myriad of examples and reasons why. Instead of being so staunch in your certitude that poor white folks have it bad and don’t nobody know the troubles you’ve seen, why don’t you do some goddamn research on more than your ‘trusted’ sites?
"White people have feelings too."
AND AIN’T THAT FUCKING IT, THO?! YOUR FUCKING FEELINGS CONTROL AND SWAY EVERY GODDAMN THING. HERE I AM ON MY FUCKING BLOG SPEAKING MY TRUTH AS A PERSON OF COLOR (protip: that doesn’t JUST mean black) AND HERE Y’ALL COME WITH THIS SLEW OF UNNECESSARY UNCALLED FOR WHINING BECAUSE I’M NOT INCLUDING “White People™ “.
I’M NOT SPEAKING FOR WHITE FOLKS. YOU ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH SPOKESPEOPLE. I DON’T CARE ABOUT YOUR HURT FUCKING FEELINGS.
DO WHITE PEOPLE GET PROFILED AND MURDERED YEARLY BY POLICE? DO THEY GET STOPPED AND FRISKED? DO THEY “FIT THE DESCRIPTION”? DO THEY MAKE UP THE MAJORITY OF THE PRISON POPULATION? DO THEY GET SHUT OUT OF JOB OPPORTUNITIES? DO THEY GET RAPED FOR JUST BEING WHITE? BEATEN? FOLLOWED? STALKED AND SHOT IN COLD BLOOD? DO THEY SUFFER THE SAME AMOUNT OF ECONOMIC DISADVANTAGE? DO THEY HAVE THE SAME STIGMA FOR BEING DISADVANTAGE AND NEEDING FEDERAL ASSISTANCE? DO THEY GET DEGRADED BECAUSE OF THEIR FEATURES, THEIR NAMES, THEIR CULTURE?! DO THEY GET PULLED OVER AND FORCIBLY SEARCHED? DO THEY GET FETISHIZED, SEXUALIZED, AND DEHUMANIZED ON THE REGULAR?
Asian people do make up the majority of the world’s population… and China has become a superpower… BUT THAT DEVELOPMENT DOESN’T ERASE THE CENTURIES OF WHITE CONTROL. White people literally stuck flags around the world and set about either killing or assimilating people of other cultures because they felt them to be less-than.
NO other culture has as much inborn entitlement as white people do. None. They infringe upon EVERYTHING. They appropriate EVERYTHING. They DERAIL conversations that AREN’T ABOUT THEM because they AREN’T ABOUT THEM.
I mean, IF what you’re saying about SA is true, that’s awful… but is it any more awful than the atrocities of apartheid? How about the other well documented episodes in history where white people just so happened to subjugate or obliterate various different cultures in their pursuit of manifest destiny?
Here’s the thing: there are some culturally and racially homogeneous countries and regions… and YES a lot of these places have nasty prejudiced viewpoints. I’ve heard and seen evidence of anti-black racism exhibited from various Asian countries. I’ve seen anti-Asian and anti-Latin@ racism from black people… However, that goes back to the colonization thing. Did the Chinese just show up on the shores of Wales one day and claim it as their own? Did the Iraqi or Afghan people pop up on European soil and spread disease and death? Did South African people go to France and say “Oh, hey. This is ours now. Look what we discovered!”
I don’t think so. I think that’s mostly European history, isn’t it?
But hell, I don’t know and really, I don’t give a shit. White folks will believe whatever the fuck they want because they have the PRIVILEGE to. And I haven’t got the time or patience to put up with your revisionist ass opinions anymore.
Anchor Bay, the distributor for film “The Sapphires” new DVD came under fire last week after an image surfaced of its U.S. branded DVD cover. Released in 2012, the award-winning film was applauded for its portrayal of The Sapphires—Naomi Mayers, Beverly Briggs, Lois Peeler and Laurel Robinson—and their struggles against sexism and racism in 1960s and 1970s Australia.
The existing DVD cover, intended for Australian audiences, prominently features The Sapphires, played by Deborah Mailman, Jessica Mauboy, Shari Sebbens and Miranda Tapsell, with their manager, played by Irish actor Chris O’Dowd, standing behind them. But in the new U.S. cover, the female actors are blurred into a blue background while their manager is thrust center stage.
O’Dowd was among the first to come out against the DVD cover last week, saying via Twitter, “it’s ridiculous, it’s misleading, it’s ill-judged, insensitive and everything the film wasn’t.”
“As I’m sure you can appreciate, the treatment of people of colour in Australia mirrored much of the trauma to which people in the United States were subjected. That trauma - and much of that treatment - remains alive and well in Australia today, as I know it does in the United States.”
In response, activist Lucy Manne began a Change.org petition, which has already garnered more than 10,000 signatures. She hopes Anchor Bay will change the cover artwork before its release this week.
I should not, do not, and will not have to quantify the truth for others’ consumption.
“Okay, seriously? So what If Eva Marie and JoJo Offerman suck in the ring? It’s new to them! Would you want people hating on YOU for not being all that good at it? Hell, I’m giving them a chance! JoJo’s only 19! She has lots of time to improve, and Eva? Well she is a hard worker that has her GOAL to improve. Enough with the hate, WWE hired them for their acting, in-ring work will eventually happen. Enough already.”
The reason people are pissed about this?
Because they have an entire developmental system where some women spend YEARS honing their craft, and some of them never make it to the main stage.
Then these two pop up outta nowhere with no wrestling background whatsoever…
This isn’t Hollywood; we’re not looking for Emmy-worthy performances from the wrestlers (although it is very awesome when we get them). Their primary function is to fucking WRESTLE. If you’re hired as a wrestler but can’t wrestle, then what the fuck is the point?
Are they hiring guys for their “acting talent” (i.e. code for “good looks”)?
Are they bringing random guys right in and putting them on the main stage?
Then why the fuck should they be allowed to do it to the women without any critique? Miss me with this bullshit. Stay mad.
I love how everything is so upset and offended that Johnny Depp is playing a Native American. And to be honest, it’s hilarious because a majority of the people that are complaining are teenage white girls. Nobody said anything when the Wayans brothers mocked and played white girls in White Chicks. Johnny also played an Italian in Donny Basco and no one said shit about that. He has native blood and that’s all that counts. This all means a lot to him and is very serious about all of it. He made this movie with the best intentions and people are turning it around and trying to make it way more than what it is. He isn’t racist. He is a damn actor. And he’s obviously going to fucking act. You’re ignorant and need to find better things to do with your time.
No it doesn’t count that he (maybe) has native blood.
There are many natives like me who are really infuriated by this.
Okay, OP, you must be fucking kidding me.
First and fucking foremost, white people SATURATE all media. A lighthearted sporking of American celebutante culture by POC is in no way comparable to years of blackface, redface, or outlandish Orientalism in the media. In no fucking way humanly possible. So, there’s that.
Secondly, MOST Europeans (including Italians) fall under the umbrella of white. If you don’t understand that, how white people exotifiy and exalt Euro-centrism, then this is definitely a conversation you’ll be wanting to see your way out of because you already look like a poorly written joke. So stow that shit and shut the fuck up.
An infinitesimal drop of (alleged) Native blood doesn’t make you the fucking spokesperson for that people. Native people EN MASSE are pissed off at this shit and the insensitive representation this shitfest of a film provides. That’s all the fuck you need to know. People directly affected by the representation of Native people in popular media HATE THIS SHIT. THAT’S ALL THE FUCK YOU NEED TO KNOW.
And that bullshit throwaway line of “only teenage white girl sjw’s are pissed about this” can miss me all the fucking way to the moon. SIT DOWN WITH THAT LAZY ASS DISMISSIVE DERAILING SHIT.
If Johnny Depp and Paula Deen have proved anything here recently it’s that race is still and probably forever will be an issue because white people are just too goddamn obtuse to see the point: your INTENT doesn’t fucking matter if what you’ve done is CONSTANTLY interpreted as racist. The act is racist. The person may not be, but the action certainly is and there is no PLAUSIBLE defense for it. At all. At. Fucking. All.
Again, he’s not a spokesperson for all Native people who are completely within their rights for being pissed off about this. If you do not get that, you do not get to continue on in this ‘conversation’. Take your ‘opinion’ and shove it where the sun don’t shine.
When people talk shit about Johnny Depp as Tonto;
- He has native American relatives. His great-grand mother was either a Cherokee or a Creek Indian.
- Of course he’s too odd to be an actual native American, it’s stated in the goddamn movie that he’s a nutcase, by his own clan. It’s a part of his goddamn character.
- Yeah, they could’ve picked an actual native American for the role, but honestly - did you see the movie yet? He was basically created for the role. He did a magnificent job as Tonto.
Now I know this will cause a shit-storm but I’m sorry, I’m not hearing crap about white-washing or him being a bad indian. I mean, are we gonna talk about what happened to Lavender Brown in the Harry Potter series? How come that didn’t raise a shit-storm? She was black until she was important and was just magically turned white. At least they tried with Johnny, with make-up and what have you.
And as mentioned, he is a bad indian on purpose. No, I’m not a huge Depp fan either and was actually rather disappointed he was picked as Tonto (not to mention the fact that they just had to shove Helen Bonham Carter into the movie as well Jesus fucking Christ), but he did a magnificent job at it nonetheless. Case closed.
He MAY have ONE native relative.
This is the one representation we’ve had in years and he’s being a “Bad Indian” on purpose.
It’s a disgrace.
Actually, among the established fandom that Lavender Brown shit was a HUGE debacle and still is. All of this, ALL OF IT, is whitewashing. Johnny Depp clearly identifies as a white man, regardless of his genetic make-up, and despite whatever ancestry he might have he still passes as white. When a white or passing person is cast as a person of color and then ‘darkened up’ or ‘painted’ to look more like (white Western and dilluted) ideals of a culture, that is WHITEWASHING AND RACIST AS FUCK. There are POC aching to be included in their own narratives… and it’s 2013 and this shit keeps happening? And we’re supposed to be fucking okay with that?! REALLY?!
Yes it really is. All whitewashing is racist and it’s extremely harmful.
I’ve noticed a lot of PoC people seem to have this reservation about calling whitewashing racist. In my opinion, I feel like the real reason this is is because they don’t know the real definition of racism. AND BEFORE YOU GO GOOGLE IT and give me the dictionary.com or the Merriam-Webster definition, DON’T.
What is racism?
I’d like to point you to the real definition (1, 2). The dictionary definition is not accurate since it wasn’t written by people who actually face racism, those people would be People of Color (everyone that’s non-white). In a short sentence, white people do not face racism, PoC do.
I also have this feeling that people do not really grasp full what whitewashing really is.
So what is whitewashing?
Whitewashing is the practice in which a person (director, producer, a fan, etc.) takes a character who is originally of color in canon work, and replaces them with a white actor or a white FC claim (role-playing games.)
It is also used to describe the entertainment industry’s attempt to make a PoC character look more “white” in order to appeal to the white masses.
Are you understanding this sparky?
People have said whitewashing isn’t racist because people do it subconsciously.
WRONG! It’s still racist! But whitewashing does happen subconsciously. Though this reason can only apply to books, not tv shows or movies. Yes people, white and PoC have whitewashed subconsciously, I have even done it. Why is this so? The media and in society in general, constantly projects that white is the norm and everything that is not white is…well…abnormal. Because of this, People of Color (unless miraculously they grew up in a home where diversity was projected) at a young age have learned this, have absorbed this.
So when continuously being told or shown that white is normal, people have tendencies to read characters as white. An example of this would be what some people did to Blaise Zabini, a character from Harry Potter. He was given no real description until book 6 and was described as “Blaise was a tall black boy with high cheekbones and long, slanting eyes.” So up until book 6, some people saw him as white male or even a white female. After book six when he was given a description, people continued to write him as a white male or white female in their fanfiction stories, draw him white in fanart, and use white actor/actresses for FC claims for him. This still continues today.
Basically at a point subconsciously whitewashing isn’t a good excuse, especially when people call the person out about it. When a person does whitewash subconsciously, when they read a character as white, and a person calls them out about their whitewashing, the simple thing for the whitewasher to do would be to fix the fanart, FC (face claim), etc. Personally they become racist to me, when they refused to fix their mistake and instead spend the entire time making excuses for themselves. And then end up not fixing their mistake.
Also just because someone says they did it “subconsciously” doesn’t mean it’s always true. People also have reading comprehension problems, just look at the Hunger Games fandom.
Which brings us to the people who just do it on purpose. Yes, those people are out there. These are the people who refuse to believe a character is of color. Yes! Out right refuse. They are also the people who defend whitewashing and chuck it off as “It’s just a FC claim” “It’s my own artistic interpretation!!1” “I just always saw her/him as white” “I just felt like they were white”. Hey, guess what!? Your FC claim is racist. Your artistic interpretation is racist. Your reading is awful. And your feelings suck.
Not only is racist, it’s also disrespectful to the novelist, comic writer, comic artist, etc, that you so claim to admire, who made that character a Person of Color. Let’s time I checked, it’s their work and I’m pretty sure they knew what they were doing when they made that character, of color.
Back to this again. It is not just the individual it’s also the community the individual is apart of. Again, society projects this “White is Right” and “The whiter the better” which leads to PoC to have internalized racism. ((TW: On the Links) Examples of self-hate: Skin Bleaching [1, 2, 3], Asian Blepharoplasty ) Sometimes the individual doesn’t do any of these things, sometimes they just harbor hate for themselves.
PoC fight self-hatred every day, it’s a constant battle. For People of Color to stand up against racism is a great feat. None of the people who advocate against whitewashing is immune to falling back into internalized racism. None of us are immune to making mistakes either. And PoC who have not gotten to this place are not to be chastised or looked down upon (Something I need to remind myself constantly) because getting to that place is extremely difficult. Especially when you have so many obstacles stacked up against you.
So what the hell was this random, long, rambling post about. Simple. Whitewashing is racist and it’s harmful.
Because when a person whitewashes, when they take a character of color and make them white, what their saying is is Brown or Black skin is ugly.
Are you responsible for equal media representation? Is it your duty to defend anti-whitewashing?
YES! Everybody is responsible for ending whitewashing. Actors/Actresses, directors, writers, producers, the person who work with the lights, and YOU! The consumer! Stop going to see these whitewashed movies. Spend your money somewhere else. The only reason these filmmakers continue to watch these movies is because you go out and spend your movie to go see them. Support films with a diverse cast. Support novels and graphic novels with diverse characters. If you’re a upcoming filmmaker, writer (novelist, screenwriter), comic artist, etc. feature some People of Color in your work.
Avoid stereotypes! People of color are not caricatures. We are people. Learn, Learn, Learn, Learn. And then do some more learning. I think I can speak for all of us when I see we are tired of seeing this.
We want to see more of this
(If I missed something or you didn’t understand, ask. I forgot half of the stuff I was going to say. lol).
By Daryl K. Washington
June 29, 2013
I’ve finally had the opportunity to review the complaint filed against Paula Deen. For one, many people have been making this incident about the “N” word only, but it’s much more than that. I personally find it to be offensive whenever someone from another race is accused of using the “N” word they are somehow given a pass because of the use of the “N” word by some in the black communities. Let me be the first to say that I find the use of the word by anyone to be wrong. However, when it’s used in a racist or insulting manner, it hurts more.
I think individuals who are trying to defend Paula Deen’s use of the “N’ word should probably familiarize themselves with all of the facts of the case against her. Just so you know, in case you didn’t know, the person who initiated the complaint against Paula Deen and her brother is not “Black.” She is a “white female” who was subjected to years of abuse and was finally fed up with her black employees being treated poorly, so stop thinking it was a black person complaining about Paula Deen’s use of the N word. Furthermore, Paula Deen indicated that she used the N word over 20 years ago. That is not what’s being alleged against her. She went as far as telling a guy he was as black as a blackboard. That lady is something else and I’m glad I never supported any of her ventures. I personally find it insulting that so many black people are coming to the defense of Paula Deen after reading what she and her family subjected their employees to. When I learned about the major companies dropping Paula Deen without being demanded to do so, I knew it was deep. The fact that any civil rights activist is supporting Paula Deen is insulting and is a slap in the face.
Here’s a summary of some of the things being alleged against Paula Deen, her brother Bubba Hiers and the Deen business entities:
Paula Deen, while planning her brother’s wedding in 2007, was asked what look the wedding should have. She replied, “I want a true southern plantation-style wedding.” When asked what type of uniforms the servers should wear, Paula stated, “well what I would really like is a bunch of little n*ggers to wear long-sleeve white shirts, black shorts and black bow ties, you know in the Shirley Temple days, they used to tap dance around;
Black staff had to use the back entrance to enter and leave restaurant;
Black staff could only use one bathroom;
Black staff couldn’t work the front of the restaurants;
Brother Bubba stated his wishes: “ I wish I could put all those n*ggers in the kitchen on a boat to Africa”;
Bubba asked a black driver and security guard “don’t you wish you could rub all the black off you and be like me? You just look dirty; I bet you wish you could.” The guy told Bubba he was fine as is;
Bubba on President Obama: they should send him to the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, so he could n*gger-rig it;
He shook an employee (Black again) and said” F your civil rights…you work for me and my sister Paula Deen;
Paula’s son Jaime’s best friend managed the Lady & Sons restaurant. He threatened to fire all the ‘Monkeys’ in the kitchen. When Paula found out…she slapped him on the wrist and suggested that the employee visited Paula’s $13,000,000 mansion so he felt special and could be massaged.
I feel Paula Deen, her brother and anyone who treats people poorly should not be given a free pass. I wonder if Paula is truly sorry that she used the “N” word or that she was reported by someone who looks just like her. I appreciate the lady having the courage to report Paula Deen. It’s people like her and the videographer who leaked the 47% comments made by Mitt Romney who should be receiving the attention, not Paula Deen.
Daryl K. Washington is an attorney located in Dallas, Texas. His practice includes Sports and Entertainment, Civil Rights, Litigation and Business Transactions. The opinions expressed in the commentary are those of Daryl K. Washington. You can reach Daryl at email@example.com or you can visit his website at www.dwashlawfirm.com.
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